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Post by Fuzzball on Sept 7, 2013 14:44:56 GMT -6
PieCreature suggested creating a place similar to DragonAdopters.
I had plans to go back to school for web programming. I'm wanting to hear some opinions on what you want to see, what kind of dragons we could have, and what features? Do you want your dragons to grow? Are you wanting brand new species to avoid too much copyrighting, or speaking with Thaz about using his designs? What about interactions? Would this be more of an adoption site or dragon sim?
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Post by Lunarblaze12 on Sept 7, 2013 15:07:18 GMT -6
Hmmm, sounds like a good idea to me!
I'm thinking more of a dragon sim game, where you can play with your dragons and maybe even battle and hunt with them.
We could get Thaz's permission to use his dragons. Then we could add our own designs. If he doesn't allow us, we could just use our own designs to make them. I'd help with ideas~
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Post by Hyruu on Sept 7, 2013 15:08:49 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't think we would be able to do something like that. Not only for the programming - I think I'd be perfectly able to do a small code, the only part I don't know how to do is the interaction between users. But... I mean, that's not a little thing we can do like that on our little forum as complete amateurs. Look at DrA itself ! It's a huge thing, that requires we spend an incredible amount of time on it to maintain it, propose new things... I'm not against, but again, you're speaking of that as if it was a small thing we could make. It's not small.
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Post by Sylar on Sept 7, 2013 15:22:42 GMT -6
You say amateurs, but we have a professional artist on our team. What we need is to find someone who's knowledgeable in coding and such. Why not even check on DrA? Ask around there since there were previous offers and such. I personally feel like we should ask Thaz to use the species designs. If that doesn't work, then make our own!
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Post by Hyruu on Sept 7, 2013 15:36:47 GMT -6
Well okay the artists is the point we don't have to worry about, but actually it wasn't the point that was worrying me at all. Making such a thing would require a server, good programmers (and I mean professionals), advertising, ... Just too many things we don't have. In the actual state of the things, there's no way we could make something like that. I don't know if you realize how HUGE is this idea. Too huge for us at the moment.
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Post by Sylar on Sept 7, 2013 15:40:06 GMT -6
Actually I do, but the thing is you have to try and not give up the second you realize how huge it is. It doesn't seem like you're willing on even trying at all, which is very sad to me.
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Post by Hyruu on Sept 7, 2013 16:20:52 GMT -6
The main reason why I'm not motivated at the moment is that the idea came a bit randomly. We can't make such a huge project with the idea having been randomly thrown ! A thing like that would require a lot of organisation. If we can make such an organisation, it already wouldn't scare me that much.
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Post by Sylar on Sept 7, 2013 16:26:30 GMT -6
It may seem random, but I've been discussing it with Thornbeast for a long while now. I'm unsure of what kind of organization you mean? You keep saying that things wont work but you're not suggesting how to make it work. as well as that, it's obvious that this will take a long time. All big projects do. The time it'll take is no reason to decide that it just can't happen.
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Post by Hyruu on Sept 7, 2013 17:01:49 GMT -6
Oh. Then I was wrong when assuming the came randomly. You're right, my criticism wasn't constructive at all. The idea was just so big, seeing it being proposed that lightly made me feel like you didn't realized how huge it is. There's also the fact I was wondering what role I could have in this. The only thing I could help with is by coding, I'm good at it, I study it but I'm far from having a professional level. That's maybe also why I got such a violent reaction, because I just know it's too much for me (I think that with a lot of effort, I could make something that works, however I clearly don't know anything about maintainable code).
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Post by Sylar on Sept 7, 2013 17:19:44 GMT -6
I'm sorry you feel that way, but I was never expecting you to code anything. I didn't even know you could code 8/ which was why I said we'd need to find someone. To be honest most of the weight is being put on Thornbeast
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Post by Hyruu on Sept 7, 2013 17:34:27 GMT -6
You don't have to be sorry. I just somehow scared myself and overreacted XD Yeah I'm studying Telecomunications and Networks, but we do a lot of programming. We didn't miss a lot compared to the Math and Computer Sciences department, maybe only some things on optimization we are beginning in two weeks and some old languages they made, and during Java lessons we had exactly the same work than them XD. But yeah if we have to do such a thing it's probably not going to be in a language I know (though, programming languages, once you know one you only need the syntaxe and you master the new language). If we manage to find other motivated people I would love to try, but it saddens me to know I probably won't be skilled enough at the moment.
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Post by Fuzzball on Sept 7, 2013 18:07:46 GMT -6
We can easily keep things small if need be. Have this forum and then a separate website for the "adoption" of dragons.
I can see how Hyruu feels; honestly trying for a sim site is much scarier than trying for simple adoption and growth, especially when I havent even begun to learn complex programming yet. This would have to be something that AT LEAST starts simple in the beginning, then grows in the long run.
We also have to think about hosting, which normally isn't free.
So I'm thinking if there's a way to find a decent hosting where we can have adoptable dragons and maybe turn this place into a roleplaying forum, it could be a good start. Opinions?
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Post by tsukihime on Sept 8, 2013 10:20:02 GMT -6
I have no coding skills or any worthwhile artistic talent, but I support this. I'd be willing to help pay for hosting.
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Post by Lunarblaze12 on Sept 8, 2013 18:12:05 GMT -6
I'll help with ideas~
And does this HAVE to be turned into an rp website? Can't this forum stay the same as it is now and have the adoption site separate?
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Post by Hyruu on Sept 8, 2013 18:31:43 GMT -6
If this is done, it anyway will have to be a dedicated site. So this forum won't be impacted at all. And Fuzzball, I wasn't even speaking of a dragon sim... Simply something like DrA is already hard like hell to program - proof is, if it wasn't they wouldn't have had any problems with maintainable code ^^ However, I've to admit it, I also had been caught a bit cold with this idea, just letting a day go by already makes me less fearful about it. That could be an interesting experience... as far as I can help, though.
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Post by tsukihime on Sept 8, 2013 21:36:17 GMT -6
It'd be pretty sweet if we made something like a cross between DragCave and DA.
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Post by Fuzzball on Sept 9, 2013 15:12:07 GMT -6
Ha ha, not taken, Lunar. We won't bother making this a roleplay forum. I barely roleplay myself anymore.
So we've sort of taken on the idea of adoptions, right? Something similar to click adoptions? I think I can find a free or cheap site to code on for dragon adoptables, and have them click-based or something like that. We can also add new elements (only if Thorn is up for it) and such, maybe even new dragon species.
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Post by Sylar on Sept 9, 2013 15:40:53 GMT -6
Thorn mentioned that we may want to make our own species. If there's any way we could take donations or make money in the future to make the site better and add things there could be legal issues with Thaz if we use his species. Yes I agree with click adoptions. I think that's an amazing idea!
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Post by tsukihime on Sept 9, 2013 16:02:45 GMT -6
I support click adoptions as well. How much is it to host a website of that caliber per month?
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Post by Hyruu on Sept 9, 2013 19:19:52 GMT -6
It actually depends on how many people we expect to get. I don't think we would need a lot at the beginning, we will then have to see. Adds will anyway refund a great part of that. Designing our own species sure is the best idea, so that we avoid any problems with anything. And since art is the part we're going to have the least problems with, it would be a shame not doing so ^^ I haven't been on a lot of adoptable sites, what do you call "click adoptables" exactly ? Something in the flavor of DrA ? Actually, thinking a bit more about it, if I had to program such a thing, where I feel I would have hard time is the interactions between users. If we keep something without many interactions like it was the case for DrA, that should be achievable. But if I have some experience with certain programming languages, I've no idea what language is used for these sites...
Why is this thread in the Staff part of the forum in fact ?
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